Rutger Bregman

So there is a place for someone like me. One of them was a lawyer. So they can be useful as well. But 10 out of 12 were entrepreneurs. People had built their own companies. People had scaled their own companies who may have been in the Forbes 400 if that would have existed at the time. But at some point they thought, you know what? I'm going to build a legacy that actually matters.

So there is a place for someone like me. One of them was a lawyer. So they can be useful as well. But 10 out of 12 were entrepreneurs. People had built their own companies. People had scaled their own companies who may have been in the Forbes 400 if that would have existed at the time. But at some point they thought, you know what? I'm going to build a legacy that actually matters.

If they would just have been rich or successful entrepreneurs, no one would have remembered them. It's because they took up the fight against the greatest moral atrocity of their time. That's why we remember them today.

If they would just have been rich or successful entrepreneurs, no one would have remembered them. It's because they took up the fight against the greatest moral atrocity of their time. That's why we remember them today.

It's a mixture. I think it's fine that people are motivated by, again, multiple things. It can be a little bit of vanity. I mean, if you look back, you know, one of your shows on Netflix, some part of you must think like, oh, this is pretty cool, right? When I have, you know, my new book in my hands, I'm like, oh... This is awesome. That's fine. That's a completely natural motivation.

It's a mixture. I think it's fine that people are motivated by, again, multiple things. It can be a little bit of vanity. I mean, if you look back, you know, one of your shows on Netflix, some part of you must think like, oh, this is pretty cool, right? When I have, you know, my new book in my hands, I'm like, oh... This is awesome. That's fine. That's a completely natural motivation.

At the same time, yeah, I do also genuinely care about the suffering of those who are oppressed, of the animals, all the things that we've talked about. I think it's fine to be motivated by multiple things at the same time.

At the same time, yeah, I do also genuinely care about the suffering of those who are oppressed, of the animals, all the things that we've talked about. I think it's fine to be motivated by multiple things at the same time.

So I think the way to be morally resilient is to make commitments in public. I mean, that's the point of things like marriage, for example, right? You say in public, you know, I'm marrying this person. And the same is true for things like, I don't know, sticking to veganism. I just said on this podcast, right? Yeah, I'm a vegan.

So I think the way to be morally resilient is to make commitments in public. I mean, that's the point of things like marriage, for example, right? You say in public, you know, I'm marrying this person. And the same is true for things like, I don't know, sticking to veganism. I just said on this podcast, right? Yeah, I'm a vegan.

So I guess that makes it much more difficult now for me to not be a vegan in public. I think we could do the same for similar things. Also with our wealth, for example, one thing I've experienced is that it's much easier to give money away if you don't have it. So for this new book, I actually thought, okay, that's like a great resource that we can use to build this movement. You know what?

So I guess that makes it much more difficult now for me to not be a vegan in public. I think we could do the same for similar things. Also with our wealth, for example, one thing I've experienced is that it's much easier to give money away if you don't have it. So for this new book, I actually thought, okay, that's like a great resource that we can use to build this movement. You know what?

I'm giving all of it away in advance because it's so much more difficult once you have the actual money in your bank account. Oh, man, I like that.

I'm giving all of it away in advance because it's so much more difficult once you have the actual money in your bank account. Oh, man, I like that.

Yes, yes, yes.

Yes, yes, yes.

Yeah, it's another good example where you can believe two things at the same time. So on the one hand, it's important to emphasize that I'm talking about taxing the rich. And in the US, for the first time in history, billionaires now have a lower effective tax rate than working class people. So that's if you look at all taxes combined, it's actually lower than working class people.

Yeah, it's another good example where you can believe two things at the same time. So on the one hand, it's important to emphasize that I'm talking about taxing the rich. And in the US, for the first time in history, billionaires now have a lower effective tax rate than working class people. So that's if you look at all taxes combined, it's actually lower than working class people.

It seems pretty unfair to me. At the same time, Republicans are... correct in their assessment that government is just not delivering. And especially so in blue states and in blue cities. I think one of the most embarrassing things for Democrats right now is that, I mean, Texas, it takes a day in Texas to deploy as much solar energy as it would take a year in California.

It seems pretty unfair to me. At the same time, Republicans are... correct in their assessment that government is just not delivering. And especially so in blue states and in blue cities. I think one of the most embarrassing things for Democrats right now is that, I mean, Texas, it takes a day in Texas to deploy as much solar energy as it would take a year in California.