Ruth Ben-Ghiat

It was nuts.

And Musk, what the Washington Post found is that in the last months, he's posted 850 times on race.

Like laser focused, saying things like great replacement theory, that whites are a dying majority.

And he's posted more than in these last months than in the preceding two years on the theme of race.

So there's some kind of, let's say, anxiety.

That's an underestimate of what's going on.

Something is going on and I do think it's linked to- I think you're right.

... Vance not doing very well, shall we say, certainly in public opinion and being uncertain about what that means for their whole enterprise.

Go ahead.

Can I add one thing?

Yeah.

And Vance has also, with the Catholicism issue, he's maneuvering himself into a space like in between a rock and a hard place because...

Of course, he's one of the voices of white Christian supremacy.

That's the ideological plank of this state.

And it's now seeped into foreign policy, national security policy.

That's what it is, white Christian hegemony.

And so he converts and he does this book, but he's attacking the Pope.

And a very beloved pope, an activist pope.

That's why the Reverend Barber, he said it's a war on divinity itself.

And I'm interpreting that not only in the religious sense, but just all that is good, all that is love, all that is justice in the world.