Ruth Ben-Ghiat

What does that mean?

Because they were all like some of them were like half dead.

Yeah.

And so there's that going on.

But the role of the elite standing behind him is just to just barrel on and barrel forward and just ignore the fact what everyone sees.

So it's like,

it's like an extreme um it's an extreme example of how you have to lie for the leader and the better you lie for the leader the more your political career does well and that's why we have dozens of people in high office this has never happened who previously had on-air positions at fox

It's not just Hegseth.

Pam Bondi had an on-air position, and she was Attorney General of Florida.

There's dozens of them.

Because they know how to tell untruths and look good while they do it.

Camera-ready liars.

Yeah, and that's why Hegseth immediately put a makeup studio in the Pentagon.

That was one of his first priorities because he was a Fox weekend host.

So these people know how to...

ignore and just dissemble even if he's sleeping the other thing that strikes me is that trump woke up and he looked around and then he just went back to sleep like okay nothing he wasn't alarmed this is interesting if you fell asleep in an inappropriate time your face would register some kind of alarm right and you know the camera's on you right but he went back to sleep

And I don't know fully what to make of that.

I think that he had no choice but to go back to sleep because he didn't do the opposite, which most people would have done and they would have been embarrassed.

But this is also like he's his own world.

He can even in a perverted way, it's like a demonstration of his power.