Ryan Buckley

Like I said, I got 100 active customers in any given month, but like 16000 email addresses that are active.

Well, Hunter kicks my ass in, in SEO.

Um, yeah, yeah.

And, uh, so that's also something that I'd be more on the acquisition side, but if I had the time, um, I would put more effort into, into that.

Uh, yeah, they also, their design is, is really nice.

Um, I'm not, I, I think they're, they're,

Actually, I've heard from people who have done ABCD testing in the market that their data is pretty good, but perhaps this was luck or maybe just my system is actually better.

Tufer's data results have, in some cases, shown better than ours.

than hunters or norberts yep and i think it's because they're just straight up mail server testing and you get an email they ping the server they see if it's there they give you a red or a green basically yeah yeah and and twofer has always been multiple sources mail server being one but then also tapping into various social media databases and then

Over the last five years, I've been recording all of the email patterns that it's discovered.

And now that's kind of become a smarter and smarter and smarter system over the years just because the data set just keeps getting larger.

That's become a significant source of accuracy as well.

Oh, man.

Well, I just read Rework.

Jason Freed, right?

I'll leave it at that.

Yeah, Freed and DHH.

It's a great two-hour read.

Yeah, Josh Pigford, CEO of Baremetrics.

I know.