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Ryan Burge

👤 Speaker
544 total appearances

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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
America’s Very Weird Religious Future

And then, you know, I was there for 17 years.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
America’s Very Weird Religious Future

In the last year, we would have 10 or 12 on a good Sunday.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
America’s Very Weird Religious Future

We actually had to give our building away to a private Christian school because we couldn't afford to pay the insurance and the upkeep and the maintenance and all those things.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
America’s Very Weird Religious Future

And then eventually we decided this is sort of a not good use of our time and resources.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
America’s Very Weird Religious Future

So, you know, right after Easter, we voted to close and we were going to close as close to our anniversary as possible.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
America’s Very Weird Religious Future

The church was founded in 1868 and it closed in 2024.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
America’s Very Weird Religious Future

And at the end, we had about 28 people on the membership role and maybe 10 or 12 actual attenders on a regular Sunday.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
America’s Very Weird Religious Future

Because I'm a bad pastor.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
America’s Very Weird Religious Future

I'm the worst pastor in the history of the world.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
America’s Very Weird Religious Future

So I tell people I've been a part of three churches and two of them don't exist anymore.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
America’s Very Weird Religious Future

So if you want your church to close down, hire me and give it like five years and it'll be done.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
America’s Very Weird Religious Future

But listen, because if you look at macro level religion, guess what?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
America’s Very Weird Religious Future

Christianity in America has been in decline.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
America’s Very Weird Religious Future

Well, it was in decline for 30 years.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
America’s Very Weird Religious Future

The mainline, which is what my church was, has been in absolute freefall for the last 70 years.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
America’s Very Weird Religious Future

There's some data from the 1950s that say over half of Americans were on the membership rolls of a mainline church in 1958.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
America’s Very Weird Religious Future

Today, it's eight.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
America’s Very Weird Religious Future

Eight and a half percent of Americans are mainline Protestant.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
America’s Very Weird Religious Future

And in a lot of these traditions, the average age is about 60 years old.