Ryan Burge

We've got a lot of money.

We don't have a lot of exciting young priests.

And so maybe church planting has basically been exclusively the purview of evangelicalism the last 30 years.

And we're seeing some of this on a small scale now.

you know, Episcopalians might be coming back because they're starting fresh.

They're not moving into an old building with all this tradition.

They're saying, no, no, let's lean into like the journey and the ramp and the village, but just in an Episcopal way.

Like, listen, what's the alternative for the mainline right now?

It's perpetual decline.

So you might as well go out swinging.

And I think some of them have picked up on that message and actually might be aggressive in church planting in the future.

And there might be a future for the mainline.

I think the Episcopalians, because of their institutional heft and their financial support, to be honest with you, are going to last for a very long time.

I think the United Methodists are going to continue to persist because there's just still a

There's a lot of meth.

Yeah, so there's these little bitty denominations that are actually doing really well, like the Anglican Church North America, which is sort of the more conservative wing of the Episcopal Church.

There are only 125,000 people.

They've had sustained growth now for the last 15 years.

They're a very new denomination, by the way, which I think actually works in their favor because it's like they're combining the best versions of evangelicalism with the best versions of the mainline, which I think is really successful.

There's a group called the PCA, Presbyterian Church in America, which is Tim Keller, who is a very famous preacher, was a most prominent member of the PCA.