Ryan Coogler

And then those guys would come to the States and seek out these musicians and then take them on their European tours as opening acts.

Right, right.

And in Sweden, Ludwig's father saw, I believe, John Lee Hooker and Albert King.

Yeah, that's what he said.

Yeah, yeah.

And was so inspired by seeing him that he decided that he wanted to become a Bulls guitarist and became one.

And when he had his first son, who was Ludwig,

you know, he introduced him to guitar lessons, you know.

And his dad made money as a guitar teacher.

Wow.

And what's crazy is Ludwig, you know, how he tells me, it was something that he liked spending time with his dad, but he wasn't necessarily crazy about the music that his dad was listening to until he heard Metallica, you know.

And then, boom, he fell in love with it and, you know, became a, you know, a guitarist.

had a jazz quartet, all kinds of different stuff.

Went to music school and eventually came to the States to learn how to become a film composer.

And that's how we met.

We met in school in 2008.

We did.

I mean, if you want to call it that.

Yeah, it was pretty dead.

Bunch of people sitting around.