Ryan Grim

And so then you wind up without that populist brand.

So it's one thing that she's stuck.

She can't really run against Biden on anything that the Biden administration has done that she wants to disagree with.

But these were things that the

the only time she ran against Biden, it seemed like, was to kind of cut Lena Kahn and her folks off at the knees.

So how do you think that...

played into the campaign?

So I think as a general measure, you know, voters were super economically concerned in this election.

And, you know, a significant amount of the media we spent was on sort of economic policy writ large.

I mean, that is sort of the advertising.

But I think there was something about the overall sort of brand of the campaign, the sort of like

je ne sais quoi that it added up to that didn't really click for people and didn't make that believable.

And, you know, whether that was about Lina Khan or anything in particular or breaking up monopolies or any of that, you know, I think there was sort of a sense of people couldn't quite tell what the campaign was about.

And I think we had a lot of different places.

Like if Kamala's going onto the stump and saying, these companies are ripping you off.

We're going to break them up.

We're going to prosecute them.

Doesn't that give her...

and I'm here with Lina Khan.

I don't necessarily know that sort of campaigning with specific administration officials like that would have been particularly helpful.