Ryan Grim

When the thing people are actually saying is Kamala Harris doesn't actually care about the stuff I care about.

And so we tested, like we made spots that rebutted it directly.

You know, it was a Trump-era policy.

No, the vice president doesn't think that or whatever.

But none of that worked as well in groups and testing as just talking about the economy because that sort of grounded it in, all right, she's focused on things that actually matter to me.

And so this idea of having a firefight on an 80-20 issue where we were always going to be coming from behind when we could have just talked about the thing that was actually the problem, that to me is why I think the response to the trans ad, to the extent that we responded,

was the correct one.

And I stand by, you know, it was funny, James Blair, who's, you know, Trump's sort of political maestro, after the Virginia election, said basically a version of what I said there, which is Republicans talking about this issue, even if it's in 80-20... Makes them look weird.

Makes them look weird.

Makes them look a little out of place.

Spanberger did more directly to dispatch the issue, but, you know...

that clip is on the harris clip is on tape there's not much you can do to get rid of it um so you know the best thing to do is to pivot to the issue people care about and maybe there's two separate questions like once it's fall of 2024 yeah you're already kind of locked into a position so at that point you either defend the position or you just don't talk about it yeah do you think and generally emily again that democrats need to change their position on this so that they're not

locked into an 80-20, 90-10 firefight.

Yeah.

I think that this is obviously a tricky issue.

The big thing is when you think about transgender people generally, the American people are not for taking rights away from transgender people.

I mean, Democrats have won on this issue.

It's ancient wisdom, but Roy Cooper was governor of North Carolina on this issue.

On the bathroom fight.

Mike Pence becomes vice president because he's so popular in Indiana because of a bathroom bill.