Ryan Grim

This is the thing.

If you actually look at the polling, the polling said that Gaza was not a top issue.

But there's just a... One of the things I think is a theme of the entire piece for me is that there's just some stuff that lives outside of numbers.

The tactics of the campaign.

Genocide might be one of them.

The tactics of the campaign sort of moved people on particular issues, but didn't actually move people on how they were going to vote.

And so one of these things is, I think this was a thing that probably dampened enthusiasm well beyond what would show up in a poll.

And it was stuff like that.

Creators who would be willing to be supportive would say, well, it's just sort of not...

safe territory to do it because I'm going to get criticized or, you know, would themselves be critical of, of president Biden's position on it.

And so, um, it did, I think it, it, you know, it had a material impact in a way that I think was difficult to measure, but was sort of passes a smell test on, you know, obviously was, was there.

And so, so to sum up, cause I know you've got to, we're going to run.

Um, it sounds like an outsider anti-establishment populist who's willing to be critical of Israel, um,

from your perspective, would have done better in 2024.

What does that mean for 2028?

What's your elevator pitch to candidates and campaigns who are looking at 2028?

So I think a couple of things on this.

One, I don't think we can overestimate just how pissed off the American people are.

And they are mad about the status quo.

Democrats are benefiting from Donald Trump being on the wrong side of this right now, but that's not a permanent thing.