Ryan Hanley

I mean, they still kind of maybe have a say, but they're much more individual contributors.

And you're seeing that because it's really difficult.

If you are not, if you do not have the type of, if you don't have the ability to handle change, adjust, adaptability, the open-mindedness to see what's coming and spend time researching it,

You feel like you're getting bludgeoned every day.

And you're like, this is terrible.

Just let me do it myself.

You go right back to being a bad boy.

Right.

Exactly.

You got to coach them.

Right.

No, I get it.

I started this podcast...

five years ago as a response to exactly what you said, I had founded my own business.

And as I got just like, as you described, as we grew and got more people, I got further away from doing the marketing work.

I grew up as a marketer as well.

And I was like, you know what?

I just want to create and talk and tell stories.

And I started this podcast for that reason.

It's really a catharsis for myself just to get that creativity out of me.