Ryan Hanley

It's so funny.

You can't, you, you,

It's like you can try to pretend to be something and maybe even grow into something, right?

That leadership position.

But you can't escape who you are at the end of the day.

You just can't get away from it.

And you need that outlet.

And I think...

a lot of times the negativity or reactivity that comes out of leaders is maybe it's an expression of a frustration to not actually be doing what they like.

Managing people is really hard.

It is hard, yeah.

And we do not give enough credence to that.

I'm very interested in what else you see coming down the pipe because you're very dialed on, and not that I expect you to be like, this is 100% what we have and no one knows, but you are very dialed into what's happening in these large organizations and kind of seeing out into the future.

What other trends do you see coming down the pipe that you think leaders should be at least have their antennas up on?

Love this topic.

I completely agree.

I saw it firsthand with my father who worked 26 years on the railroad and got downsized and they were like, have a nice day.

And he's like, Whoa, wait a minute.

Uh, I basically given up my entire life to work in this place and it's just over.

Yep.