Ryan Hanley

And, you know, as you get bigger, that pressure gets much more when it's 10 people.

Right.

You can kind of lay the hammer down and go, no, we're not doing that.

But as you start to get larger, you get a board of you get a board that you have to answer to and you have a responsibility to you have investors, you have a fiduciary responsibility to and you're getting downward pressure.

you know, and let's say you're trying to get to a billion, right?

I guess this is where we're in that nexus point.

How do you keep your head clear?

How do you navigate those things?

Like, did you have to ever deal with that where you felt like there was pressure coming in some capacity that wasn't related to your business that didn't feel like it actually helped your business?

How do you navigate these things?

This is a major problem, I think, for a lot of people today.

Yeah.

Do you listen to the All In podcast?

Have you heard of that show?

Yeah.

So Chamath was talking the other day on that show, and I thought it was really interesting.

And he actually made reference to this, that in previous years of the show, I think it's like their fourth or fifth year, they talked about where did all the public companies go, right?

Like at least on the U.S.

exchange, there used to be $8,000, now there's only $4,000, okay?

And then...