The Billionaire Case for Small Bets
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What is the main philosophy behind small bets in entrepreneurship?
I think that's the wrong discipline. My magic model was hiring people that were better than me. Entrepreneurship is a high risk activity. I have always struggled with goal setting. Don't set any goals. Don't try and become too big. Keep it small, prove it out and then go big. Copy what others are doing because it's working.
We need to be very protective of our mental energy, attention, focus.
They can either spend more quality time with their kids or they can put in five or six hours of extra work a week and earn more money.
Sir Richard Harpin, I have so many things that I want to talk to you about. I'm so excited for this conversation, and I appreciate you making the time, my friend.
And do just call me Richard Ryan. I did think that my knighthood would help me get a better seat in a London restaurant. But then somebody told me that they make a surcharge.
How did Richard Harpin's early experiences shape his business approach?
Like any true good deed, you know, it comes with a price, right? You get the sur, but now you got to pay more for your next cheeseburger and pint.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Well, I want to get into something that I saw actually on your Instagram channel that fascinated me. And it was just a snippet. But the topic I just I'm really interested in hearing the more expanded version of this idea, which was the idea of. big bets versus small bets. And if anyone listens to business podcasts, entrepreneurial stuff, you know, Peter Diamandianis, who is phenomenal, has the Moonshots podcast. Everything's about big bets, burn the boats. And you had some really interesting takes on small bets and the value that small bets make and how they play a role. And I'd love to start our conversation in big bets versus small bets from someone who's built a billion dollar company.
Yeah, I'm a big believer that you need to prove things out small. And I learned that the hard way because a great example was my original plumbing emergency business called A1 Fast Fix. Started it with my life savings, my business partner's life savings, £50,000.
What are the benefits of copying successful business models?
And we grew it and the business model didn't work and we ran out of money. We then managed to get half a million pound investment from a UK water company. And I thought, right, I'm going to grow the business even bigger. It will get to economies of scale. And of course, it didn't because it was the wrong business model. The business got bigger and the losses went from 10,000 a month to 50,000 a month. So my learning was... stay small, bootstrap your business, test, learn, copy, pivot, and make sure you get the right business model. When you have, then press the accelerate button. And that might mean going and getting investment to really scale the business. But don't do that until you've absolutely categorically proved your model.
So why then do you think there is so much moonshot swing for the fences, pornography out there? Is that just clickbait to sell stuff in behind the scenes, all these entrepreneurs are kind of thinking the way you are? Or is this just a philosophical difference that people have in business?
How can entrepreneurs effectively scale their businesses?
I think it's a message from some people that says, oh, you've got to go big at all costs. Venture capital in some periods have said, well, we'll give you loads of money to test and prove your business, but just go big and throw loads of money at it and eventually it will work. And I think that's the wrong discipline. Keep it small, prove it out, and then go big. Jim Collins, in his book, Good to Great, would call it firing bullets, and then when you hit the target, then fire the cannonball. If you fire the cannonball at the beginning, you run the risk of busting your business.
Yeah, I was listening to a kind of startup-oriented podcast the other day, and a very successful investor was on, and I don't think he meant anything negative about this, but He said, you know, I want to see two or three failures, you know, before I invest. Like, I want to know they've run into a wall before. And in a broad stroke, I can kind of understand what he's saying. But at the same time, as the actual operator, that is devastating.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main philosophy behind small bets in entrepreneurship?
0:00–1:09
2
How did Richard Harpin's early experiences shape his business approach?
1:09–2:30
3
What are the benefits of copying successful business models?
2:30–3:44
4
How can entrepreneurs effectively scale their businesses?
3:44–5:25
5
What is the 15% rule for global expansion?
5:25–6:54
6
How does hiring your replacement contribute to business success?
6:54–8:16
7
What challenges do UK entrepreneurs face in today's economy?
8:16–9:36
8
How can AI tools enhance efficiency in small businesses?
9:36–51:19
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