Ryan Holiday

in Las Vegas.

Yeah.

And you just, you're like, oh, not only am I getting up there to talk about an obscure school of ancient philosophy, but I'm doing it to people under duress.

The sports one, you think sports is going to be this crazy cool audience.

And then you're like, they got into sports to not have to go to meetings.

To meetings, yes.

Exactly.

This is like torture.

You're the extra meeting.

Yeah, yeah.

One more thing on their plate.

Exactly.

And so anyways, the gigs have been fun and sort of touring around and then trying to like pair.

It's like, oh, I'm already going to have to be here.

So let's do that.

It's like your version of a maiden show too, right?

Well, I would say the other thing is like, so being chosen versus choosing is important, but there's also like, would you rather be dependent or independent?

And I think there's something about like the audience can cancel you, but like by not being interested.

Right.

But there is something about going like, do you want like whatever the trend of the moment is or the aversion of the moment to be deciding whether you get to do your job or not?