Ryan Holiday

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Okay, let's talk about justice.

So I think when people think business, they're probably not thinking justice, right?

Because they're thinking the law, they're thinking legal standards.

But I would say it's good that we live in a capitalistic society.

It's this powerful engine.

It unlocks creativity and there's more resilience to it than there is in central planning.

But I've always believed that with that freedom...

comes the sort of voluntary responsibility, right?

Which in a way makes it harder because it's like, if you lived in a world where right and wrong was very prescribed by the law, then it would be clear what you're supposed to do and not supposed to do, and you wouldn't have to think that much about it.

But a business world where you can basically do whatever you want within some reason means that the business owner has a lot of discretion about how they choose to run their business and their life.

This is why I've always admired John Mackey at Whole Foods.

He's like as libertarian as they come.

He's like, the government should not tell anyone how to do anything.

But he's like, with my business, I want to pay my workers well.

I want to make sure these are my environmental standards.

These are my humane standards for meat and stuff like that.

This is the benefits I want to provide.