Ryan Holiday

And now she buys and sells and invests in businesses and makes a lot of really interesting content.

I was on her podcast a couple of months back.

You can listen to that.

But here's Cody and I talking about courage and discipline and justice and wisdom.

Okay.

So what I thought we could talk about, so the four virtues of Stoicism are courage, discipline, or self-discipline, justice, and wisdom.

It strikes me that those are also good business virtues.

You could say it's a cheat code for being an entrepreneur or a leader or a business person.

So I thought we could maybe sort of run through how you think each one applies and how you understand them or what you understand them to mean.

So let's start with

Because you said you said you didn't know if you could do some of this stuff earlier that that is this the scary part of walking away from something safe or diverging from the conventional path.

It's not physical courage normally, but it is what we would call moral courage.

That you're a person who does hard things.

And by the way, that is a really important thing.

It can feel so scary.

I remember when I dropped out of college, I was like, I'm really taking my life in my hands.

And it's like, no, I'm not.

Not at all.

It seemed so scary.

And it seemed so scary to my parents who lost their minds about it.