Ryan Knudson

In Uganda, Zambia, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo, hundreds of health workers who were being paid under PEPFAR were told to go home, and they haven't gone back to work.

In Uganda, Zambia, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo, hundreds of health workers who were being paid under PEPFAR were told to go home, and they haven't gone back to work.

In Uganda, Zambia, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo, hundreds of health workers who were being paid under PEPFAR were told to go home, and they haven't gone back to work.

Coming up, we talk to the CEO of a nonprofit that got a lot of its funding from PEPFAR about what this shift in policy will mean for America's standing overseas. Carl Hoffman is CEO of the public health organization HealthX Partners. He's also a former U.S. diplomat. How many countries have you lived in? Probably 10 or 15. Not a crazy number.

Coming up, we talk to the CEO of a nonprofit that got a lot of its funding from PEPFAR about what this shift in policy will mean for America's standing overseas. Carl Hoffman is CEO of the public health organization HealthX Partners. He's also a former U.S. diplomat. How many countries have you lived in? Probably 10 or 15. Not a crazy number.

Coming up, we talk to the CEO of a nonprofit that got a lot of its funding from PEPFAR about what this shift in policy will mean for America's standing overseas. Carl Hoffman is CEO of the public health organization HealthX Partners. He's also a former U.S. diplomat. How many countries have you lived in? Probably 10 or 15. Not a crazy number.

I mean, that's a pretty crazy number for countries to... When the aid freeze went into effect, HealthX Partners was hit particularly hard. Carl's organizations work on HIV, AIDS, and other health programs in more than 40 countries, and roughly half of their nearly $500 million budget comes from the U.S. government, including through PEPFAR.

I mean, that's a pretty crazy number for countries to... When the aid freeze went into effect, HealthX Partners was hit particularly hard. Carl's organizations work on HIV, AIDS, and other health programs in more than 40 countries, and roughly half of their nearly $500 million budget comes from the U.S. government, including through PEPFAR.

I mean, that's a pretty crazy number for countries to... When the aid freeze went into effect, HealthX Partners was hit particularly hard. Carl's organizations work on HIV, AIDS, and other health programs in more than 40 countries, and roughly half of their nearly $500 million budget comes from the U.S. government, including through PEPFAR.

So how would you describe and how would you characterize what traditionally has been the role of U.S. aid abroad?

So how would you describe and how would you characterize what traditionally has been the role of U.S. aid abroad?

So how would you describe and how would you characterize what traditionally has been the role of U.S. aid abroad?

So what do you make of the fact that the Trump administration and a number of his supporters seem to think that this is not money that the U.S. taxpayer should be spending money on?

So what do you make of the fact that the Trump administration and a number of his supporters seem to think that this is not money that the U.S. taxpayer should be spending money on?

So what do you make of the fact that the Trump administration and a number of his supporters seem to think that this is not money that the U.S. taxpayer should be spending money on?

It's still tens of billions of dollars, though.

It's still tens of billions of dollars, though.

It's still tens of billions of dollars, though.

In Carl's view, the billions of dollars the U.S. spends on foreign aid has compounding benefits.

In Carl's view, the billions of dollars the U.S. spends on foreign aid has compounding benefits.