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In Carl's view, the billions of dollars the U.S. spends on foreign aid has compounding benefits.

But if you listen to the stuff that Elon Musk has been saying, he said that there's also a lot of examples of corruption, waste, money that's being spent on things that Trump and a lot of his supporters don't believe in, like diversity, equity and inclusion efforts. Have you seen things like that? What do you make of that?

But if you listen to the stuff that Elon Musk has been saying, he said that there's also a lot of examples of corruption, waste, money that's being spent on things that Trump and a lot of his supporters don't believe in, like diversity, equity and inclusion efforts. Have you seen things like that? What do you make of that?

But if you listen to the stuff that Elon Musk has been saying, he said that there's also a lot of examples of corruption, waste, money that's being spent on things that Trump and a lot of his supporters don't believe in, like diversity, equity and inclusion efforts. Have you seen things like that? What do you make of that?

Do you think there's a lot of waste in the foreign aid system?

Do you think there's a lot of waste in the foreign aid system?

Do you think there's a lot of waste in the foreign aid system?

Carl says he's trying to keep his organization afloat. It's had to lay off or furlough thousands of employees, and they're looking for sources of new funding. Meanwhile, his organization has received waivers to resume some life-saving activities, but no funding to allow that to happen yet. What do you think might step in to fill this void, if anything?

Carl says he's trying to keep his organization afloat. It's had to lay off or furlough thousands of employees, and they're looking for sources of new funding. Meanwhile, his organization has received waivers to resume some life-saving activities, but no funding to allow that to happen yet. What do you think might step in to fill this void, if anything?

Carl says he's trying to keep his organization afloat. It's had to lay off or furlough thousands of employees, and they're looking for sources of new funding. Meanwhile, his organization has received waivers to resume some life-saving activities, but no funding to allow that to happen yet. What do you think might step in to fill this void, if anything?

Other governments around the world?

Other governments around the world?

Other governments around the world?

Right now, the future of PEPFAR is unclear. But Carl says most people with diseases like HIV-AIDS don't have time to wait.

Right now, the future of PEPFAR is unclear. But Carl says most people with diseases like HIV-AIDS don't have time to wait.

Right now, the future of PEPFAR is unclear. But Carl says most people with diseases like HIV-AIDS don't have time to wait.

If you're not pushing against the disease, the disease is pushing back against you. That's right.

If you're not pushing against the disease, the disease is pushing back against you. That's right.

If you're not pushing against the disease, the disease is pushing back against you. That's right.

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