Ryan Petersen

And, and then also just like study Chinese for three hours every day for a few years while I lived in China.

That's intense.

Yeah.

It is and it isn't.

It's very hard, but the Chinese people, if you give any effort at all, are like, wow, they love it.

They compliment you.

They reinforce you.

They make you want to do more of it.

So actually that part makes it kind of rewarding and easy.

I feel like I've tried to learn French and I'm like way better at French than at Chinese, but everyone in France is like, you're terrible.

You shouldn't even try.

I'm like, all right, I won't.

You know, you say hello and they're like, well, your Chinese is amazing.

We had this business, which we were a startup, but, yeah, like, that's, like, we call it that now.

At the time, we were just trying to make money, honestly.

And it was.

We were building tech in the cloud.

We were cutting edge in a lot of ways, like, in the early 2000s.

There weren't cloud, you know, I think Salesforce and NetSuite.

But NetSuite, I don't even know if it was cloud.