Ryan Sean Adams

You know, we have some properties that will be carried over, but nonetheless, there will, it's risky in the sense that like we have all this great hardened infrastructure and we're kind of rebuilding it to be ZK.

And so we have to have this like extra levels of redundancy, as you said, like three proofs, three correct proofs to make sure that, you know, not just two proofs because two proofs might have the same bug.

So we might prove the same bug twice.

So three things like this.

And so, you know, what's your level of redundancy?

fear about this part of the transition for Ethereum from the classical blockchain, which is so hard and 100% uptime, to go where we go here?

How scary is this?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which is why it's taking not a short amount of time.

So just to maybe conclude this podcast, the timeline, it is now the start of 2026.

By the time we hit 2030 is a good guess for when we think we will have the full...

power, the full properties of the ZK EVM.

You're nodding your head.

Does that sound right?

Right, right.

I guess one point you made earlier, and I guess it's worth reemphasizing here, is the aspiration of Ethereum is to do a 3x scaling increase every single year, not just for the next three years, next three years for classical scaling, and then the next three years after that for ZK EVM scaling.

So while I am excited about the ZK EVM and I think it's incredible and why I want to rally the Ethereum community around it,

Acutely, there won't be a ZK EVM moment as felt by the transactors, users of Ethereum, because we are doing a 3x scaling per year for the next six years, first with classical, then with ZK.

And so, you know, while the merge, you know, acutely transitioned us from proof of work to proof of stake, EIP-1559 acutely transitioned us from, you know, to have the burn and better transaction UX and like same thing with 4844 as an acute transition.

This won't be that because we are scaling anyways.