Ryan Sean Adams

But it was after I left it, A, they got it to 1.0 and started getting user feedback loop, and B, they added the near-intense integration.

And I think it's a great example of the Moxie-Mormon-Spike approach is that it has to be in the same app.

Like, if the number of apps you use is greater than one, forget about it, right?

So there's just one app that you use, and there's no, like, unmet, well, minimal...

to the greatest extent possible, there's no unnecessary steps or concepts or no unnecessary information that you learn because near intents already existed separately from Sashi.

And it, I did actually use it like as an experiment, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else at that time.

But once it's integrated into the

unified app, then you, then I wouldn't recommend anyone use it.

I just tell people, Oh yeah, just do that thing.

Just works.

No problem.

And okay.

So anyway, basically I agree with you on all that stuff and kudos to that team.

And you know, I want to kind of take back something I said earlier.

It's true.

No matter how badly the conflict and the, um, trauma, uh,

goes, it won't really kill Zcash like that.

There's all these other organizations like my current organization and many others.

And the $200 million, which is sort of completely separate from that team and those people in that conflict.

But on the other hand, they've done a great, great, great job with Sashi, right?