Ryan Sean Adams

And I think you're pointing to an era like of many different inventions, but I think you're pointing to an era where it was really like our brain size that was the limiter in terms of what technology we discovered and

or what progress we made in civilization or societal organization, that is no longer the constraint, I guess.

I think that's part of your thesis behind the new economics of artificial intelligence.

Can you talk about that?

Why is that insight profound in and of itself?

Okay, so you used the term verification, and that seems to be a central point of the paper itself.

But so far, we've said that there's really no distinction, I suppose, that's relevant in terms of taste or curation, really, and the things that humans can do but AIs can't do.

There's only really measurable and unmeasurable things.

And then also human cognition is no longer the binding constraint on progress because we have a different form of machine cognition that we're growing that maybe it can't do all of the things that human cognition can do, but it can do enough to really push us towards progress.

And so you said the scarcity will move from the idea of cognition maybe and the number of humans that we have or the applied human intelligence to something else.

And that something else is verification.

That'll be the thing that we focus on.

What exactly do you mean by verification?

Because it's hard for me to break down the work items I do in a particular day and map out which ones are cognitive work items versus which ones are the verification work items.

What does verification really mean?

But Christian, isn't this an example, the example that David just gave of like, he's starting with verification right now, right?

He's able to verify these explosions and he's got sort of just like maybe an average level of, he doesn't have military expertise, right?

So he can't get there.

But then it moves up to the military commander being, and pretty soon the military commander cannot verify it either.

And he has to outsource it to AI to begin with.