Ryan Sean Adams

Their groups, their hacking groups are hunting and stalking high value targets.

So again, 76% of the value from two targets, they were hunting the drift protocol for months.

Can we talk about

the means that they went through in order to pick out the drift protocol.

It seems like North Korea is hunting and assassinating almost individual high-value targets in a very methodical, sophisticated way.

Tell us about this case.

That's what's so unnerving about this case, actually, is because many of the people listening, many people in crypto, they go to conferences, they think they know people in the crypto space in real life.

And you wrote this, this was a line from Coindesk, North Korean proxy sitting across a table from protocol employees over a period of months.

We're talking about the drift hack.

That is, to my knowledge, unprecedented.

So they met some of the drift team members at conferences, a

So, okay, so they met.

I just can't get over meeting them in person because I always think of kind of North Korea, Lazarus Group as just their offshore, the actual shadowy super coders out there.

They don't manifest in real life.

But you're saying they were hiring proxies?

I guess, paid actors, individuals who didn't seem like they were from North Korea, maybe seemed westernized in some way.

Can you talk about how the social engineering actually led to one of the largest hacks, I think the largest hack on Solana in the drift case?

So what were the further details there in that story?

So this turned into a hack of $285 million, I believe.

And this was a drain that lasted just for 12 minutes and then it was kind of over.