Ryan Sean Adams

a pretty incredible hack and I suppose a big win maybe for the hackers.

I'm curious to learn a bit more about them.

So oftentimes we hear about, it's just like North Korea, sometimes we hear about a subgroup called Lazarus.

I've also heard about Trader Trader, Bureau 121, like all of these different subgroups.

And when I've heard people talk about this previously, it almost seems like there are these like decentralized groups within the North Korean government that maybe operate somewhat autonomously, but sometimes in a coordinated way.

Can you give us a lay of the land for all of these various groups in North Korea, how they're incented, how they're structured?

Like, what do we know about them?

Six billion is what you said, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, this was so scary about that drift hack.

Keep coming back to that.

It's almost like the idea of you could have sleeper cells out there, like infiltrated in your company.

I mean, they waited months to pull this off.

It almost had the sophistication of, like you read about massage, a massage, and what they're doing, what they did with kind of the pager attack, for instance.

It's that level of nation state sophistication and patience.

Like they set up a fake partnership, like a shell company with all of these, you just like fake.

They made an investment in the company.

They made an investment in the project.

Yeah, just like incredible.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.