Ryan Sean Adams

And part of that is something that only another nation state can actually do, is to actually just, I don't know, I saw pictures of the guy, what's his name again?

Shenzi.

Shenzi.

Shenzi being arrested.

I mean, you got the sense that there was cooperation with the government, the special forces kind of like came in and just like picked this guy up and brought him to justice.

I saw like a bag over his head.

Maybe.

You can take the money.

That's right.

I do think that's a powerful tool.

That's part of the offense that you were talking about.

But can we talk about the victims here?

Because it's always been unclear to me where that $15 billion goes, right?

Does the US government just seize it and take it and, hey, now it's part of the strategic Bitcoin reserve.

You're welcome, everybody.

The reality is that $15 billion was taken from hundreds of thousands of individuals, U.S.

citizens, other citizens of the world, through these intricate pig butchering campaigns.

For those not familiar with that, I think it's the idea that you fatten up the victim by treating them nicely, socially engineering them, catfishing them, pretending to be an interested party, business relationship, girlfriend, something like this.

And then you sort of milk them for their funds, right?

Socially engineered.