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Ryan Sean Adams

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Bankless
Productive Money: The Most Bullish Case for Ethereum ($250K) | Michael McGuiness & Vivek Raman

$2K to $250K per ETH.

Bankless
Productive Money: The Most Bullish Case for Ethereum ($250K) | Michael McGuiness & Vivek Raman

How does that happen, Mike?

Bankless
Productive Money: The Most Bullish Case for Ethereum ($250K) | Michael McGuiness & Vivek Raman

Let's start to define some of these terms because I know many bankless listeners from years back will be very familiar with terms like monetary premium and DCF.

Bankless
Productive Money: The Most Bullish Case for Ethereum ($250K) | Michael McGuiness & Vivek Raman

But I also want this episode to be very accessible for someone who's kind of new-ish to crypto and hearing about ETH

Bankless
Productive Money: The Most Bullish Case for Ethereum ($250K) | Michael McGuiness & Vivek Raman

maybe in this context for the first time, ETH is money.

Bankless
Productive Money: The Most Bullish Case for Ethereum ($250K) | Michael McGuiness & Vivek Raman

So you said many models price ETH on a DCF model.

Bankless
Productive Money: The Most Bullish Case for Ethereum ($250K) | Michael McGuiness & Vivek Raman

What is DCF and why is that the wrong way to price ETH?

Bankless
Productive Money: The Most Bullish Case for Ethereum ($250K) | Michael McGuiness & Vivek Raman

It's time value of money stuff.

Bankless
Productive Money: The Most Bullish Case for Ethereum ($250K) | Michael McGuiness & Vivek Raman

And when you say DCF model, I mean, part of the reason that some investors cling to a DCF model is because that's what they're used to for most capital assets out there, right?

Bankless
Productive Money: The Most Bullish Case for Ethereum ($250K) | Michael McGuiness & Vivek Raman

So a capital asset is an asset that generates some level of returns.

Bankless
Productive Money: The Most Bullish Case for Ethereum ($250K) | Michael McGuiness & Vivek Raman

You know, Buffett quite famously is a fan of capital assets.

Bankless
Productive Money: The Most Bullish Case for Ethereum ($250K) | Michael McGuiness & Vivek Raman

And Buffett is one of the main characters of the essay that we'll talk about throughout this episode, this productive money essay that you wrote.

Bankless
Productive Money: The Most Bullish Case for Ethereum ($250K) | Michael McGuiness & Vivek Raman

Now, because investors are so used to valuing capital assets like equities or rental properties or those sorts of things by DCF model, and they also see Ethereum, an ETH asset, generating some form of yield...

Bankless
Productive Money: The Most Bullish Case for Ethereum ($250K) | Michael McGuiness & Vivek Raman

The knee-jerk reaction seems to be that they just apply the same DCF model to ETH.

Bankless
Productive Money: The Most Bullish Case for Ethereum ($250K) | Michael McGuiness & Vivek Raman

And what you're saying is that is not the full story here.

Bankless
Productive Money: The Most Bullish Case for Ethereum ($250K) | Michael McGuiness & Vivek Raman

In fact, the bigger part of the story is that Ether, the asset, should have what you've called a monetary premium.

Bankless
Productive Money: The Most Bullish Case for Ethereum ($250K) | Michael McGuiness & Vivek Raman

It's a money.

Bankless
Productive Money: The Most Bullish Case for Ethereum ($250K) | Michael McGuiness & Vivek Raman

And by that, I think you mean a store of value asset like Bitcoin and like gold.

Bankless
Productive Money: The Most Bullish Case for Ethereum ($250K) | Michael McGuiness & Vivek Raman

How close to the mark am I in that?

Bankless
Productive Money: The Most Bullish Case for Ethereum ($250K) | Michael McGuiness & Vivek Raman

Exactly.