Ryan Shelton

I mean, there's a great, we have a friend of ours who's a very well-known comedic actor person in Australia, a guy called Glenn Robbins.

He told us a story about when he gets into an argument with his partner and they're having like an argument, he just pulls his pants down as a way to kind of like diffuse the situation, which I don't know, like Jam and I, when we have arguments, I cannot imagine doing that.

I feel like that's sort of like a bridge too far for us, but the sentiment is good, works for him.

Because you've seen what's possible.

You've seen how people, yeah.

In terms of like when the betrayal happens or a trust is broken, so with Hugh's friend.

And so if the friend's partner who cheated, is there any level of like repair or winning trust back that can happen that can then mean that that friend who questioned Hugh is

Isn't so suspicious of things and is more trusting?

You?

In terms of, what do you mean?

Yeah, amazing.

I mean, that's inspiring when that happens.

And it's almost like that terra firma or the ground is never then almost replaced if they don't talk about it.

If that's never then for that person, it can all, maybe in lots of relationships going into the future, it can feel like, because, you know, that's something I've heard from people that they go into a new relationship and they find it really hard to trust them because of the previous relationships.

Do you visualize it?

Yes.

Yeah.

You know, it makes me think of like my, so my partner, Jam, she recently, she felt like she wanted to call her mum because she said something or she acted in a way on the phone earlier and she felt bad about it.

So she wanted to call and say, I'm sorry.

So she called her mum and said, hey, I'm really sorry about how I was behaving on the phone before.