Ryan Soave

So this is like something that was developed as it would be like if somebody developed a therapeutic modality 80 years ago and then passed it on to everybody that they gave every client they had and then they ran it. I mean, it's not.

So this is like something that was developed as it would be like if somebody developed a therapeutic modality 80 years ago and then passed it on to everybody that they gave every client they had and then they ran it. I mean, it's not.

It's not run by professional counselors, although there are professional counselors, and then there's every walk of life from... I've been around people who are anything from priests to rabbis to doctors, there's no prejudice in the disease. But you can build a community where people are willing to help and be in service to each other, and

It's not run by professional counselors, although there are professional counselors, and then there's every walk of life from... I've been around people who are anything from priests to rabbis to doctors, there's no prejudice in the disease. But you can build a community where people are willing to help and be in service to each other, and

It's not run by professional counselors, although there are professional counselors, and then there's every walk of life from... I've been around people who are anything from priests to rabbis to doctors, there's no prejudice in the disease. But you can build a community where people are willing to help and be in service to each other, and

You know, you can't call a therapist any time during the night. You can't just look up and find a meeting and go. And at this point with things online, you could find a meeting 24 hours a day anywhere. And the meeting is not going to solve it necessarily. But the fact that you're moving in that direction, you know, you're spending an hour – if you're spending an hour –

You know, you can't call a therapist any time during the night. You can't just look up and find a meeting and go. And at this point with things online, you could find a meeting 24 hours a day anywhere. And the meeting is not going to solve it necessarily. But the fact that you're moving in that direction, you know, you're spending an hour – if you're spending an hour –

You know, you can't call a therapist any time during the night. You can't just look up and find a meeting and go. And at this point with things online, you could find a meeting 24 hours a day anywhere. And the meeting is not going to solve it necessarily. But the fact that you're moving in that direction, you know, you're spending an hour – if you're spending an hour –

thinking and reflecting and talking about it. Even if you're not like in silent meditation, it's almost like a meditation. If you're spending an hour hearing people talk about how they recovered and helping you, it's an hour that you're not doing the other thing. And in the beginning, that might be the white knuckling of it, right? But the idea is to get out of white knuckling.

thinking and reflecting and talking about it. Even if you're not like in silent meditation, it's almost like a meditation. If you're spending an hour hearing people talk about how they recovered and helping you, it's an hour that you're not doing the other thing. And in the beginning, that might be the white knuckling of it, right? But the idea is to get out of white knuckling.

thinking and reflecting and talking about it. Even if you're not like in silent meditation, it's almost like a meditation. If you're spending an hour hearing people talk about how they recovered and helping you, it's an hour that you're not doing the other thing. And in the beginning, that might be the white knuckling of it, right? But the idea is to get out of white knuckling.

And so the beauty of the 12-step programs, which was founded by the guys that started Alcoholics Anonymous and then Dr. Bob Smith and Bill Wilson, and the way they discovered it was by helping each other. Bill Wilson had been trying to get sober for a long time.

And so the beauty of the 12-step programs, which was founded by the guys that started Alcoholics Anonymous and then Dr. Bob Smith and Bill Wilson, and the way they discovered it was by helping each other. Bill Wilson had been trying to get sober for a long time.

And so the beauty of the 12-step programs, which was founded by the guys that started Alcoholics Anonymous and then Dr. Bob Smith and Bill Wilson, and the way they discovered it was by helping each other. Bill Wilson had been trying to get sober for a long time.

He'd been introduced to something called the Oxford Group, which was more of a religious group based in Christianity, and they had like a – I think it was a four-step process, which the 12 steps are just kind of really expanded on. But there's a – in the literature, there's this beautiful moment where Bill Wilson had been trying to stay sober for a while and he was.

He'd been introduced to something called the Oxford Group, which was more of a religious group based in Christianity, and they had like a – I think it was a four-step process, which the 12 steps are just kind of really expanded on. But there's a – in the literature, there's this beautiful moment where Bill Wilson had been trying to stay sober for a while and he was.

He'd been introduced to something called the Oxford Group, which was more of a religious group based in Christianity, and they had like a – I think it was a four-step process, which the 12 steps are just kind of really expanded on. But there's a – in the literature, there's this beautiful moment where Bill Wilson had been trying to stay sober for a while and he was.

But he was really white knuckling it and he had been at his home in New York. He had been going into the hospital and helping others and he found by trying to help others, he stayed sober. He's a guy that had struggled for a very long time. And none of those guys were staying sober, but he was, which was kind of he first kind of conceptualized this.

But he was really white knuckling it and he had been at his home in New York. He had been going into the hospital and helping others and he found by trying to help others, he stayed sober. He's a guy that had struggled for a very long time. And none of those guys were staying sober, but he was, which was kind of he first kind of conceptualized this.

But he was really white knuckling it and he had been at his home in New York. He had been going into the hospital and helping others and he found by trying to help others, he stayed sober. He's a guy that had struggled for a very long time. And none of those guys were staying sober, but he was, which was kind of he first kind of conceptualized this.