Ryan Wolf

Still alive, yeah.

But yeah, I remember him.

That's the one.

He must have sold lorry like a second-hand door or something like that for this place.

Because Frank took me to the place and he was like, yeah, this is where it was.

Where's Mapleton Road in relation to Urbacher and... Are we in the same area?

Yeah, it kind of goes down, yeah.

It runs down to Peachy Creek and then it, yeah.

Well, Frank seems adamant that, like, Laurie was living in this place at this time and he mentioned, he mentioned that Laurie was at this, maybe he wasn't getting along with one of the sons or something like that.

That's kind of what Frank was saying, I don't know.

I don't know if you've got a brother maybe he doesn't get along with or didn't for a time.

But Frank's adamant that he told him this story and then Laurie said that he tried to go to the police and tell them the next day and he said that he had a bad heart and nearly killed him to walk up to the police station and that they kind of

just pooh-poohed the story and said, oh, we've already, you know, we've got a suspect.

We're not interested.

Oh, okay.

Jessica Gordy.

She was a 16 at the time.

Well, that's interesting.

I wonder if Frank's just, because he was at the beginning, he was a bit iffy on the name.

He's 88.