Ryan Zofay

I was really preying on people's greed.

And so for me, it was an opportunity for me to just get out.

It was the breaking point that I needed.

What I find in life today is pain and pleasure motivate people.

And unfortunately, pain is usually the leverage that somebody needs to do something different.

And so that was a good leverage point for me to dive in and start doing the deep trauma work.

It's an interesting concept, right?

You need to reach such a rock bottom to get to the next level.

Yeah, for sure.

You need to go through a lot of pain.

For sure.

That's why I wonder when kids that are born into successful families, will they ever experience that pain that we did?

Yeah.

You know, and it's interesting.

Rudolf Dreikers did this study, and he was with a bunch of psychiatrists and psychologists, and he was speaking to the audience, and he said, do you know what the most damaging behavior that children can go through is?

and the audience was like rape and abuse and and he was like that's all severe he said but there's even something that's has greater risk and greater challenge causes more problems and that is doing something for the child that the child can do themselves and so you know that's that really just that just stuck with me because i'm like man like

Now, looking back, I'm like, well, thank God, because my parents were absolutely absent.

And it forced me to find a way.

It forced me to persevere.

It forced me to build skills, build a skill set.