Ryan Zofay

And navigating through all of that,

that helped me apply that stuff into business, helped me apply speaking on stages, impacting people in seminars because I've been through it.

I've been through the gauntlet.

And so it's easier for me to see life through this lens because of the challenges I went through.

I meet so many people that are spoiled and were given a silver spoon and just had everything given to them.

And I feel so bad because they're literally helpless and they don't understand what grit means and they don't understand

what it looks like to go out there and grind.

And that to me is like a byproduct of success for sure.

Yeah, they're spoon fed.

They call them helicopter parents.

You can't be too hands on.

But if you're too hands off, there's people in your situation that it never worked out for them, too.

So I guess you kind of need somewhere in the middle, right?

For sure.

I don't think most people could do the hands off approach.

Well, I mean, you could teach people skills.

I mean, I think like public speaking is probably one of the most incredible skills I've learned.

It built so much confidence.

And to be good at public speaking, there has to be a level of vulnerability.

And to have vulnerability, you have to have a level of self-love and compassion.