Ryder Strong

Yeah, we should talk about the elephant in the room.

Is that the easiest way to just say it?

We were all set.

We had already announced on the Twitters and the Instagrams that we were going to fold...

actually double up our reality watching and go right into The Bachelorette because the fans have demanded that we keep watching shows that we know nothing about, or at least one of us.

In this case, neither of us have ever seen a single episode of The Bachelor.

I didn't know anything about it.

And yet, they canceled the entire season.

Yeah, and not without, you know, by the time ABC had canceled it, we had already decided to pull our show.

Yeah.

After much back and forth and hand-wringing and concern and not, just don't have clarity in these things.

Yeah, it's tricky.

But it seems like in general, she is not a very good person.

No.

And reality shows that celebrate not great people are not cool.

Well, I think we've talked about the, you know,

The conversation I believe I had with an MTV executive years ago, this guy I used to be friends with, telling me that everything changed for the network when Snooki got punched.

That was the turning moment.

That was when MTV became a network that was no longer about music because they were suddenly going to be

all about the reality and the drama, and it went, like, so viral back then.