Ryder Strong

No.

The thing about this is, like, for me, this just... And this is something I've wrestled with...

you know, even doing these shows.

I avoided all reality because I generally thought it was a lot of garbage, you know?

And I, you know, we've had great interviews with Ben Mendelker and Chad Koltgen and they really did, you know,

sort of champion reality and explain how it's, you know, not just trash television, but actually has nuance and strategies.

And I've come around to see a lot of that.

I really have.

Me too.

I get it.

But I think fundamentally, unfortunately, there's still a little bit of exploitation and exaggeration and schadenfreude.

Mm-hmm.

Oh, yeah.

Which is, you know, one of those words that once you learn, you just want to use as many times as possible, but it means, you know, taking pleasure in other people's misery.

Yeah.

And I think that there's an element of that, you know, a company, it's, you know, watching a train wreck can be fun.

It's rubbernecking, right?

Yeah.

All the different ways to describe the feeling bad about watching something good and not being able to turn away.

Yeah.