Saagar Enjeti

So you really – I just feel like that sociological imprint of a generation for where they are today and why they value what they value, I'm not judging it.

I can fully empathize and understand how they've come to the place that they are.

You're totally right.

And that's where—look, I mean, this is where it's complicated.

We did pay for most of that.

A lot of that came at the expense of us, and that's why the Trump 2016 campaign—

was so invigorating to be like, because he was the first person to say, we paid for this.

Because that neoliberal talking point was the one that we would hear all the time.

Oh, well, global poverty has gone down.

It's like, yeah, but we're poorer.

They're the ones who are richer, not us.

But what we want, I think at this point, we've lived through this idea that China was like some backward state.

And I'm being honest, like I even used to, I remember, so my first year of professional politics was 2015.

That is when the Made in China 2025 plan came out.

We scoffed at it.

There were commissions here and there.

What a joke.

All of it came true.

All of it came true.

And actually a lot more than it came true.