Sabrina Parsons

We are glasses half full, glasses half empty.

Yes.

And that's why I say my glasses half empty husband is very conservative.

And I'm like, oh no, 50 million in two years.

Yes, exactly.

So it depends on how you look at it.

And the other part is that the places we've been more successful where the two of us struggle because we're a privately owned company with no debt is it's hard for us to be unprofitable.

We don't have a management style to be unprofitable, even though we could invest more.

And so we're working on that right now of being comfortable with

having a couple of years where we're not profitable because we can afford to do that.

Radical Candor right now.

Oh gosh, there's so many because it depends on... Pick one.

Pick one.

That's a... I haven't thought about that.

Can I come back to that?

Besides any of our own.

Well, I guess I have to go to Basecamp because we've been using that for so long and it's held, you know, it just holds up.

Oh gosh, I need to get eight hours or I am a mess.

Yes, three.

Yeah, I'm 45.