Sabrina Parsons

So...

We don't disclose any of those numbers, but you can do math and you can do separate things.

But yeah, so we are- Well, Sabrina, hold on, hold on, hold on.

We've had over 2 million paying customers in terms of active customers at any given time.

the average is different.

So it's not necessarily 20, but I don't want to, I probably shouldn't go down the path of lots of numbers because being private, we don't disclose all the numbers.

So we don't want people to do backwards math and get to any numbers.

So in a given time in, um, say live plan, we'll have over a hundred thousand pain subscribers, but then we've got, uh,

some other tools, we've got Dell Center Pro and Outpost.

And so we've got a variety of tools and the live plan on average is $20 a month.

On some of our other tools, it's more expensive and we've got other trainings and packages that are in the thousands of dollars.

And we've got other things that are upgrades and they're five or $10.

And so we have a variety of offerings.

So it's not an average of 20 for 2 million, but we've had, and we've had over 2 million customers

in the LivePlan product.

They're not all actively paying us right now.

And 100,000 in the live plan product, but more overall.

So in terms of churn, you're right.

Customers are going to churn out because of survivability, right?

So the average small business starts today and more than 60% of those small businesses that start today will be out of business in five years.