Sabrina Tavernisi

Wow, that's wild. Alan, do you normally talk to people who are on the run from the law? It's happened a couple of times. OK, so tell me more about Anthony. Sure.

Wow, that's wild. Alan, do you normally talk to people who are on the run from the law? It's happened a couple of times. OK, so tell me more about Anthony. Sure.

So, Alan, I was actually in the Capitol that day as well. I was covering this event for The Times. I had walked with the crowd to the Capitol and then inside the Capitol with the rioters. And, you know, it was an interesting split screen because I saw people walking around kind of just like...

So, Alan, I was actually in the Capitol that day as well. I was covering this event for The Times. I had walked with the crowd to the Capitol and then inside the Capitol with the rioters. And, you know, it was an interesting split screen because I saw people walking around kind of just like...

in awe, as you're describing Anthony doing, you know, with selfie sticks, sitting in chairs, laughing, kind of like they were tourists at a tour of Capitol Hill. But then I also saw people breaking windows. Obviously, there was a lot of violence there that day. And, you know, it just allowed everyone to emerge with their own story of what happened that day.

in awe, as you're describing Anthony doing, you know, with selfie sticks, sitting in chairs, laughing, kind of like they were tourists at a tour of Capitol Hill. But then I also saw people breaking windows. Obviously, there was a lot of violence there that day. And, you know, it just allowed everyone to emerge with their own story of what happened that day.

Like everyone had their own narrative, which for them was true. And it sounds like Anthony had his own narrative.

Like everyone had their own narrative, which for them was true. And it sounds like Anthony had his own narrative.

So despite the footage of the violence around the Capitol that day, Anthony is kind of sorting through it all and landing on a pretty different version of events, namely that the whole thing had been set up.

So despite the footage of the violence around the Capitol that day, Anthony is kind of sorting through it all and landing on a pretty different version of events, namely that the whole thing had been set up.

Okay, so we know that's not the end of Anthony's story because he does eventually get arrested. When does that actually happen?

Okay, so we know that's not the end of Anthony's story because he does eventually get arrested. When does that actually happen?

But of course, we know that he doesn't ultimately report for his sentence.

But of course, we know that he doesn't ultimately report for his sentence.

And Anthony is hearing that message and thinking it's meant for him, like Trump is speaking to him.

And Anthony is hearing that message and thinking it's meant for him, like Trump is speaking to him.

We'll be right back. So Anthony and other participants are expecting pardons, and we have reason to believe that Trump will issue them. That's what he says he's going to do. So let's talk about the logistics and the implications of this. First, the logistics. How exactly would this happen? Like, is it just a stroke of the pen?

We'll be right back. So Anthony and other participants are expecting pardons, and we have reason to believe that Trump will issue them. That's what he says he's going to do. So let's talk about the logistics and the implications of this. First, the logistics. How exactly would this happen? Like, is it just a stroke of the pen?

Right. And as you're saying, it could all happen with a stroke of a pen. Absolutely. Alan, it's pretty remarkable that with all of this prosecutorial work that's gone into this to hold hundreds of people to account, all of this would be thrown out. And, you know, of course that's important in its own right, but it does really set up the potential for a broader meaning here.

Right. And as you're saying, it could all happen with a stroke of a pen. Absolutely. Alan, it's pretty remarkable that with all of this prosecutorial work that's gone into this to hold hundreds of people to account, all of this would be thrown out. And, you know, of course that's important in its own right, but it does really set up the potential for a broader meaning here.