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Like, for example, what does it do to public trust in the legal system?

Like, for example, what does it do to public trust in the legal system?

Amazing.

Amazing.

Right. And of course, there's another piece here, which we've kind of touched on, but I want to bring back in front of people, which is the story of what happened that day, right? So to what extent do these pardons actually help the people who participated and help the president rewrite the story of what happened on January 6th?

Right. And of course, there's another piece here, which we've kind of touched on, but I want to bring back in front of people, which is the story of what happened that day, right? So to what extent do these pardons actually help the people who participated and help the president rewrite the story of what happened on January 6th?

But the crazy thing is we have this whole record. I mean, beyond the prosecutions, we have all of these videos. We have this body cam stuff. You know, in the modern internet age, there's a record. So can the narrative just be flipped like that? No.

But the crazy thing is we have this whole record. I mean, beyond the prosecutions, we have all of these videos. We have this body cam stuff. You know, in the modern internet age, there's a record. So can the narrative just be flipped like that? No.

Interesting.

Interesting.

Alan, it's really incredible to be watching this happen in the United States. I know comparisons are tricky, but I spent a lot of my early career in Russia. And that's a place that's really quite expert at whitewashing and just having an alternative reality version of history. You know, Stalin is seen by many in Russia as the leader who made Russia great.

Alan, it's really incredible to be watching this happen in the United States. I know comparisons are tricky, but I spent a lot of my early career in Russia. And that's a place that's really quite expert at whitewashing and just having an alternative reality version of history. You know, Stalin is seen by many in Russia as the leader who made Russia great.

And the fact that millions of people died of starvation and in mass executions, that's just not the dominant story or really part of the story at all at this point, in part because people don't want to see it that way. So this all feels very familiar to me in quite an eerie way.

And the fact that millions of people died of starvation and in mass executions, that's just not the dominant story or really part of the story at all at this point, in part because people don't want to see it that way. So this all feels very familiar to me in quite an eerie way.

Alan, thank you.

Alan, thank you.

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