Sally Hayden
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649 appearances
5 recordings
3 series
first heard Apr 2026
last heard 21 Jun
Sally Hayden’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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And she basically said, you know, I'm going to cast spells on you and...
threatened them just to you know I think she said she like shook kind of or hit pots and pans and things like that just to freak them out basically so that they went away and yeah she was just an extraordinary person to meet and she was this tiny woman like she was much smaller than me and I'm like five foot three or something and she like we were asking her just all sorts of different things like she even tried to give me some sort of like powder she was like this will remove all your freckles
then we were asking her all sorts of things and she basically was like I might get the exact quote wrong but like like love is the most important thing in the world like find someone to love and your life will always be bright and I've been thinking about that more when like you know you asked me like why did I set out to write this book maybe that was an influence that you know was kind of at the back of my head somewhere because that was really my first kind of proper professional trip and
as a journalist to cover something.
And I think meeting her, it was, so she actually died in 2018.
And I think that I'm so grateful that I did meet her.
Like what do you mean?
I do think that maybe people thought it was quite strange when I started telling them, like, this was what I was working on, but... Do you mind talking just a little bit about, in broad strokes, because I know you're into facts and all that sort of thing, but like...
I think that
Like it probably depends how you define love.
And I personally would define love like it's not always something that's pronounced.
It's often actions.
And I mean, we all know that from our own life, right?
Like you probably don't go around telling everybody that you love that you love them every day.
Maybe you should, but you probably don't.
But like there's so many little actions that that do mean that if you really spend time thinking about it.
And I would say that I personally see love much more than I see cruelty and violence and greed and all of that.
I think what happens is that there's kind of, I talk about it a bit in the book, like detachment and distancing and that.
um the more distant we get from kind of the human other human experience the more easy it is to be cruel to people um like you can explain it very simply from i mean not simply at all sorry but like an airstrike site like i've been on like dozens in the past two years in lebanon you know so you know you hear the airstrike um you don't know who's been killed you go to investigate and uh
an airstrike site often just looks like a big mass of gray, you know, and you need to spend time, like, like one of the things that I've been doing, obviously, you know, finding out who got killed, talking to their family members, if you can, often they don't want to speak, you know, so obviously, because they're in extreme pain.
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