Sally Hayden

Like it probably depends how you define love.

And I personally would define love like it's not always something that's pronounced.

It's often actions.

And I mean, we all know that from our own life, right?

Like you probably don't go around telling everybody that you love that you love them every day.

Maybe you should, but you probably don't.

But like there's so many little actions that that do mean that if you really spend time thinking about it.

And I would say that I personally see love much more than I see cruelty and violence and greed and all of that.

I think what happens is that there's kind of, I talk about it a bit in the book, like detachment and distancing and that.

um the more distant we get from kind of the human other human experience the more easy it is to be cruel to people um like you can explain it very simply from i mean not simply at all sorry but like an airstrike site like i've been on like dozens in the past two years in lebanon you know so you know you hear the airstrike um you don't know who's been killed you go to investigate and uh

an airstrike site often just looks like a big mass of gray, you know, and you need to spend time, like, like one of the things that I've been doing, obviously, you know, finding out who got killed, talking to their family members, if you can, often they don't want to speak, you know, so obviously, because they're in extreme pain.

So getting that information can be difficult.

So often, you know, the original report will just be like,

you know, authorities say this many people were killed and you'll have a photo of the big kind of, it just looks like a pile of gray, whereas actually a residential building, you know, there was, it was an entire home before.

And so one of the things that I've been doing in Lebanon is going around airstrike sites and literally just looking for objects that I see and taking photos of them.

And I was posting them online.

Actually, the Irish Times at one point did a photo series of this

And if you like look really closely, you can see, I mean, you know, I find so many family photos, which I didn't post because I didn't want to post pictures of people without knowing their fates and without permission and all of that.

But like you see so many other different objects, you know, children's toys, for example, women's toiletries, magazines, books.

I saw a mystery book from like the 1960s the other day in an airstrike site.