Sally Hayden

Yeah, exactly.

She said she was like surrounded by flies.

And the interesting thing was that I then because like I said, this area had like no connection, you know, all the phone lines had been downed and all of this.

So I was hundreds of miles away.

These areas are like have no connection.

connection between them and I met another woman who actually had kind of a similar story where she also pretended to be mad and she said that she poured cooking oil on herself so she had been kidnapped by Boko Haram and she said that basically she kept doing these things until they were like it's too much hassle to keep her here and they just released her with her children and I thought that this was kind of extraordinary that both these women

They had such kind of similar stories of quick thinking and of very creative ways to save their children and, you know, had never met.

Yeah, I mean, it's a huge missing persons crisis.

I think for ICRC, it's definitely their biggest in Africa, the amount of missing people in Nigeria.

And in the book, I kind of talk briefly about like some of the lengths that they go to to try and track down children, including children.

You know, ICRC produces these booklets of photographs or of names.

But the problem is that if you flee for your life, you don't even necessarily have a photograph.

You know, a lot of people, they don't have Internet access and they left behind everything.

And so I met mothers who were like, I'm missing my daughter.

This is her name.

But like they don't have any picture of her and years have passed.

And if you have a young child, you don't even necessarily know yourself exactly what they look like anymore.

So yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.