Sally Hepworth

It really gave me such...

And that's one of the best things from it, such an understanding of what they have to go through.

And we delayed that by a year by us doing it.

It's made me so much more sympathetic, so much more likely to, you know, if they've forgotten their something, I will be in the car, you know, driving it off to school, which I know.

I also think not great.

It's a strange thing as well because the apartment that we had was very much like an Airbnb.

It didn't feel like home.

And it's also, I have to say, it's a privilege to be able to afford to have, and it was a small apartment, but not everyone has the ability to... No, that's right.

...to do that.

That's the other thing about divorce.

Divorce is expensive.

It's expensive.

Yeah.

And there's an uncertain period, which is just really difficult.

And sharing space with that person is so difficult.

And I found that really, really hard.

Yeah.

Look, I think the thing that happened with us, which I see happening with so many people, is that I started off with a desire to do everything perfectly.

You know, this thing of, okay, our life's going to change, the children's life is going to change.

I read all the books, you know, on children and...