Sam Altman

Yeah.

I'm going on like a around the world user tour soon for a month to just go like talk to our users in different cities.

Yeah.

And I can feel how much I'm craving doing that because I haven't done anything like that since in years.

I used to do that more for YC.

And to go talk to people in super different contexts...

And it doesn't work over the internet to go show up in person and sit down and go to the bars they go to and kind of walk through the city like they do.

You learn so much and get out of the bubble so much.

I think we are much better than any other company I know of in San Francisco for not falling into the kind of like SF craziness, but I'm sure we're still pretty deeply in it.

This is the part that we understand the least well.

We're great at the pre-training machinery.

We're now trying to figure out how we're going to select those people, how we'll verify that we get a representative sample, how we'll do different ones for different places, but we don't have that functionality built out yet.

Such a fascinating science.

You clearly don't want all American elite university students giving you your labels.

like and be able to actually like what is the world view look like for all kinds of groups of people that would answer this differently i mean i have to do that uh constantly instead of like you've asked this a few times but it's something i often do you know i ask people in an interview or whatever to steel man uh the beliefs of someone they really disagree with and the inability of a lot of people to even pretend like they're willing to do that is remarkable

Look, I think we'll find out that we can make GPT systems way less biased than any human.

Oh, there might be pressure to make a biased system.

What I meant is the technology, I think, will be capable of being much less biased.

I both worry about it and want it.

Like, you know, to the point of we're in this bubble and we shouldn't make all these decisions.