Sam Bungey

That's it, yeah.

That's the place they know that they... I've asked her to tell you.

Yeah, that he could only... He felt like the only place he knew he wouldn't be recorded is in the sea.

In the sea, yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, and, you know, in terms of Miami and Penn and the doctors, the patients would say that any medical that a person that they've ever seen has confirmed that something has happened to them.

So they have all, you know, even though... How many in total?

Is it 1,500 people?

So even the original Havana Syndrome patients would dispute that figure and say that somewhere along the line it jumps into being a sort of form of hysteria.

But it's where you're going to draw that line.

So some people would say, right, the start.

Some people would say, throw them all in.

Even, I think, Adam would say...

Yeah, I mean, Penn drew the line before China.

They let one person from China in.

And after that, they said, that's not the same.

But all of the people, the Cuban cohort, went to Miami and then went on to Penn for treatment.

And so they are, you know, they're two top specialists in the United States.

who have done a whole battery of tests and said that something has happened, something is going on here.

But yeah, I mean, it is a ludicrous number now.