Sam Harris

And I think there are really important problems that we have to get our head straight around.

And we need, you know, it's not to say that institutions don't become corrupt.

I think they do.

And I think, and I'm quite worried that, you know, both about the loss of trust in our institutions and the fact that trust has eroded for good reason, right?

That they have become less trustworthy.

You know, they've become infected by...

political ideologies that are not truth tracking.

I mean, I worry about all of that, but I just think we need institutions.

We need to rebuild them.

We need experts who are real experts.

We need to value expertise over amateurish speculation and conspiracy thinking and just, and bullshit.

The kind of amateur speculation we're doing on this very podcast.

I'm usually alert to the moments where I'm just guessing or where I actually feel like I'm talking from within my wheelhouse.

And I try to telegraph that a fair amount with people.

So yeah, I mean, but it's not, it's different.

Like, I mean, you can invite someone onto your podcast who's an expert about something that you're not an expert about.

And then you...

you in the process of getting more informed yourself, your audience is getting more informed.

So you're asking smart questions and you might be pushing back at the margins, but you know that when push comes to shove on that topic,

you really don't have a basis to have a strong opinion.