Sam Harris

I'm not spending much time thinking about it, frankly, because I'm waiting for the moment where it requires some thought.

I mean, it did... It took up...

I don't know how many podcasts I devoted to the topic.

It wasn't that, I mean, it wasn't that many in the end, you know, against the number of podcasts I devoted to other topics.

But there are people who look at Trump and just find him funny, entertaining, not especially threatening.

It's like not a, you know, it's just good fun to see somebody who's like, who's just not taking anything seriously and

and it's just putting a stick in the wheel of business as usual again and again and again and again.

And they don't really see anything much at stake, right?

It doesn't really matter if we don't support NATO.

It doesn't really matter if he says he trusts Putin more than our intelligence services.

I mean, none of this is, it doesn't matter if he's on the one hand saying that he loves the leader of North Korea and on the other threatening, threatens to bomb them back to the Stone Age, right, on Twitter.

it all can be taken in the spirit of kind of reality television.

It's like, this is the part of the movie that's just fun to watch, right?

And I understand that.

I can even inhabit that space for a few minutes at a time, but

there's a deeper concern that we're in the process of entertaining ourselves to death, right?

That we're just not taking things seriously.

And this is a problem I've had with several other people we might name who just appear to me to be goofing around at scale.

And they lack a kind of moral seriousness.

I mean, they're touching big problems where lives hang in the balance, but they're just fucking around.