Sam Harris

And it's deeply embarrassing, right, on the world stage.

It's just like, we looked like a banana republic there for a while.

And we're the lone superpower.

it's not good, right?

And so we shouldn't, there's no, the people who thought, well, we just need to shake things up and this is a great way to shake things up and having people storm our Capitol and smear shit on the walls, that's just more shaking things up, right?

It's all just for the lulls.

There's a nihilism and cynicism to all of that, which again, in certain people it's understandable,

You know, frankly, it's not understandable if you've got a billion dollars and you have a compound in Menlo Park or wherever.

It's like there are people who are cheerleading this stuff who shouldn't be cheerleading this stuff and who know that they can get on their Gulfstream and fly to their compound in New Zealand if everything goes to shit, right?

So there's a cynicism to all of that that I think we should be deeply...

critical of.

Well, I don't think there is...

something profitably to be said to someone who's truly captivated by the personality cult of Trumpism, right?

There's nothing that I'm gonna say to, there's no conversation I'm gonna have with Candace Owens, say, about Trump that's gonna converge on something reasonable, right?

You don't think so?

No, I mean, I haven't tried with Candace, but I've tried with many people who are in that particular orbit.

I mean, I've had conversations with people who,

won't admit that there's anything wrong with Trump, anything.

But he has so few of them.

He has fewer good qualities than virtually anyone I can name, right?