Sam Harris

So, he's funny.

I'll grant you that he's funny.

He's a good entertainer.

Does others look at just policies and actual impacts he had?

I've admitted that.

No, no.

So, I've admitted that many of his policies I agree with.

Many, many of his policies.

I mean, so...

Probably more often than not, at least on balance, I agreed with his policy that we should take China seriously as an adversary.

And I think, again, there's a lot of fine print to a lot of this because the way he talks about these things and many of his motives that are obvious are things that I don't support.

But take immigration.

I think it's obvious that we should have control of our borders.

I don't see the argument for not having control of our borders.

We should let in who we wanna let in and we should keep out who we wanna keep out and we should have a sane immigration policy.

So I didn't necessarily think it was a priority to build the wall, but I never criticized the impulse to build the wall because if tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people are coming across that border and we are not in a position to know who's coming,

That seems untenable to me.

And I can recognize that many people in our society

are on balance the victims of immigration.

And there is, in many cases, a zero-sum contest between the interests of actual citizens and the interests of immigrants, right?