Sam Harris

I mean, this, you start, again, there are multiple books written about all the last hours of, of this presidency.

And the details are shocking in what he tried to do and try to get others to do.

And it's awful, right?

I mean, it's, it's just awful that we were that close to something, um,

to a true unraveling of our political process.

I mean, it's the only time in our lifetime that anything like this has happened.

And it's deeply embarrassing, right, on the world stage.

It's just like, we looked like a banana republic there for a while.

And we're the lone superpower.

it's not good, right?

And so we shouldn't, there's no, the people who thought, well, we just need to shake things up and this is a great way to shake things up and having people storm our Capitol and smear shit on the walls, that's just more shaking things up, right?

It's all just for the lulls.

There's a nihilism and cynicism to all of that, which again, in certain people it's understandable,

You know, frankly, it's not understandable if you've got a billion dollars and you have a compound in Menlo Park or wherever.

It's like there are people who are cheerleading this stuff who shouldn't be cheerleading this stuff and who know that they can get on their Gulfstream and fly to their compound in New Zealand if everything goes to shit, right?

So there's a cynicism to all of that that I think we should be deeply...

critical of.

Well, I don't think there is...

something profitably to be said to someone who's truly captivated by the personality cult of Trumpism, right?

There's nothing that I'm gonna say to, there's no conversation I'm gonna have with Candace Owens, say, about Trump that's gonna converge on something reasonable, right?