Sam Harris

But I think he's either obviously in the midst of a mental health crisis or he's a colossal asshole.

Or both, I mean, actually those aren't mutually exclusive.

So one of three possibilities, he's either mentally ill, he's an asshole, or he's mentally ill and an asshole.

No, I would argue none of those are likely for either of us, but- Possible.

Not to say we don't have our moments, but-

So the reason not to talk to Kanye, so I think you should have had the conversation you had with him in private.

That's great.

And I've got no criticism of what you said had it been in private.

I just thought you're not doing him a favor.

If he's mentally ill, right?

He's in the middle of a...

manic episode or I'm not a clinician, but I've heard it said of him that he is bipolar, you're not doing him a favor sticking a mic in front of him and letting him go off on the Jews or anything else, right?

We know what he thought about the Jews.

We know that there's not much illumination that's gonna come from him on that topic.

And if it is a symptom of his mental illness that he thinks these things, well then, you're not doing him a favor making that even more public.

If he's just an asshole and he's just an anti-Semite, an ordinary garden variety anti-Semite, well then, there's also not much to say unless you're really gonna dig in and kick the shit out of him in public.

And I'm saying you can do that with love.

I mean, that's the other thing here is that

I don't agree that compassion and love always have this

patient, embracing, acquiescent face, right?